VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

Jack Adams said:

Other members would take this comment seriously if you backed your statement with facts, rather than stating your opinion as a fact.

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Ha! Agree. Younger kids of the tik-tok era seem to start every other sentence with “scientists have proven …”

Six minutes is pretty short but it’s not out of the normal range for middle aged men - it’s not like it’s a three-pump dump you’d likely get from, say, an inexperienced 17 year old.
Also, Depends on if you use sex as a mechanism to reach orgasm or if you enjoy the intimacy and connection it offers. It can depend on your mindset and maybe Liam has gradually lost that feeling of connection and for him sex has become more of a results-based mechanical process. Over a few decades I can attest that relationships, and specifically physical intimacy, has its peaks and troughs. The quality of sex at any specific time or any discrete time period, can be a reflection of that level of intimacy.

t3alqdansam said:

As I have noted, the discussion crushed the credibility for me. I felt the baseline for the entire VN was just proven false. So disappoint!

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You are quite right. I subscribe to a writing style that embraces, 'show me, don't tell me'. In the initial meeting at the restaurant with Andy and Cathy there was opportunity to lay this groundwork. For instance, when the bachelor party subject was broached Andy could have given Sophia a suggestive look. If Sophia returned with a blush, that would have been poignant, and established the playfulness without breaking her demure image. It also would have fired the audience's imagination in terms of what may have happened in the past and what might happen in the future.
Unfortunately, L&P let this opportunity go and later drops a bombshell that many expected, but only because of genre not the context.

Talcum Powder said:

Ha! Agree. Younger kids of the tik-tok era seem to start every other sentence with “scientists have proven …”

Six minutes is pretty short but it’s not out of the normal range for middle aged men - it’s not like it’s a three-pump dump you’d likely get from, say, an inexperienced 17 year old.
Also, Depends on if you use sex as a mechanism to reach orgasm or if you enjoy the intimacy and connection it offers. It can depend on your mindset and maybe Liam has gradually lost that feeling of connection and for him sex has become more of a results-based mechanical process. Over a few decades I can attest that relationships, and specifically physical intimacy, has its peaks and troughs. The quality of sex at any specific time or any discrete time period, can be a reflection of that level of intimacy.

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True. And most scientists today bullshit the 'proven' part. They do not have absolute evidence they have 'indications' or 'trends' or 'in this test'. So little critical thinking and not being held accountable for the BS they put out. Theory is not law. That is why it is still the Theory of Relativity. Real scientists are still testing it. So far so good but, that is real science. And any social science has tons of exceptions that these 'kids' have no ability to understand or desire to account for. So fascinating that Dr Kinsey was found to have falsified his research to justify his findings. He was not the first and was definitely not the last. Still looking at cold fusion are we?

I feel like I need to step in at this point and set the record straight. You guys are too hard on yourselves and judgemental about performance. I will tell you without hesitation that 10 minute sex where I don't cum but my partner does can be AMAZING. Longer durations are not necessarily better, and 30 minutes would make me think I'm doing something wrong.

Give yourselves a break, 10-15 minutes can be great sex. We don't need a dozen positions and a theme, just find a nice groove and let's do it. If my husband cums in less than 10 minutes, do you know what I think? I think "Hell yes that's hot. He's really into me."

Sophia needs to work on herself and her expectations. Her husband can't contain himself around her, she's should feel good about that. But because she's not getting satisfied she's upset. I can understand that, but she needs to do something about it. If she needs 30 minutes and circus positions then sadly she and Liam may not be compatible. No one is wrong in that situation, it's just too bad.

But the point is boys, 10 minutes can be fantastic! Don't let AVGs warp your expectations, short and intense is better than even long and intense.

GingerSweetGirl said:

I feel like I need to step in at this point and set the record straight. You guys are too hard on yourselves and judgemental about performance. I will tell you without hesitation that 10 minute sex where I don't cum but my partner does can be AMAZING. Longer durations are not necessarily better, and 30 minutes would make me think I'm doing something wrong.

Give yourselves a break, 10-15 minutes can be great sex. We don't need a dozen positions and a theme, just find a nice groove and let's do it. If my husband cums in less than 10 minutes, do you know what I think? I think "Hell yes that's hot. He's really into me."

Sophia needs to work on herself and her expectations. Her husband can't contain himself around her, she's should feel good about that. But because she's not getting satisfied she's upset. I can understand that, but she needs to do something about it. If she needs 30 minutes and circus positions then sadly she and Liam may not be compatible. No one is wrong in that situation, it's just too bad.

But the point is boys, 10 minutes can be fantastic! Don't let AVGs warp your expectations, short and intense is better than even long and intense.

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TY. Yes laying there with my wife, exhausted, after 10 minutes and both of us satisfied is just as important or vital to the relationship as a floor strewn with used condoms and eight hours later crawling to the shower. I completely concur both are wonderful and both fill the need in a relationship. The exhaustion of pleasing your partner is the same. That result was the same it was just down different paths. The point was pleasing your partner! IMO

KillJoys said:

L&P has portrayed Sophia as very innocent but the conversation during the Cathy/Andy event seems to indicate something different/the looking/touching/eye contact with each other,did something almost happen between Sophia/Andy and Liam/Cathy?
It is never brought up again but I found it very interesting

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I think we discussed about this a while ago. I don't think Sophia is naive or innocent. The sex scenes with Liam showed that she is not shy when it comes to being intimate with her husband. Also in several occasions there are hints that back in the days she had her share of fun (the teachers, the rock bands, Liam..). Not as much or the same level as Patricia's but I would not picture her like the shy or innocent girl, at least in term of that kind of cliché. The feeling is that she rather gave up all this when she got married and pregnant and she built this "facade" to get in the role of model wife, caring mother and respectable teacher.

So to me it was not a shocker what happened with Cathy/Andy, rather, as many if not all have already pointed out the problem with the event is that it just felt rushed because it failed to convey the necessary immersion of what was their relationship back then.
**Ideally** there could be a lot more dialogues to dig up some episodes from the past, maybe a quick flashback, and few exchanges between the character that showed how comfortable they are with words and actions (touching etc).

In reality it could have had few more dialogues about a past event that give a better context. As simple as, e.g. when they offer alcohol and they refuse they could have said something like "since when you stopped drinking? What happened to old the Liam/Sophia? i remember that time when..." and then few lines of dialogues involving all of them to remember that time. That would have been a minimum to enable the reader/player to feel the atmosphere and "be there".

After all this is not a porn game, it's an erotic game, images are important but even more are dialogues and situations that are created. Nathalie event is the example, beside the abrupt beginning (IMO) the event was incredibly hot even without the need of nudity.

Sabertooth__ said:

Or do what he is planning to do. Get more people to work or find methods to speed up scene creation. Or come up with better scene presentation, screenplay and writing to compensate for reduction in render count. He has to do something, or it will effect the quality.

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That's just shit L&P says to get people to calm down.
By now,4 years later and many patreon promises failed, we know he's not actually trying much.

Interesting discussion but I wanted to say : think less, fap more

I like good writing but in the end it's "just" an erotic visual novel, it's not Dune, GoT (the books) or classic literature

Though I agree she was too uptight at the beginning for what has already happened or will happen in the game, whatever is the reason (new interest in sapphism, swinging, blackmail, etc.)

athena2021 said:

Okay. Here is the "adopted Dylan/Ellie" patch I cooked up. You can try it out by extracting and overwriting "game" subfolder after backing up the subfolder. As you may see, the patch is not complete as I am sure I overwrote something. But I found it playable. I suspect it will take a while to finish this up completely. But if you find any urgent bug or anything wrong, don't hasitate to let me know. Hope you enjoy.

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That is awesome! Thank you very much for taking time out of your day to do that.

I have to disagree with the opinion of the opposite sex.

A woman does everything very well as long as her partner is able to continue. Why should the situation where sex continues for more than 30 minutes concern a woman? And I don't mean the second shot.
It's one thing on first dates, when the excitement is high, and another when things calm down, say 5-6 months, and when the woman knows that the man is there, ready, anytime.
It's one thing to start at 01am and by 02am it's all over, even already asleep, and another to end around 04-05am.
I definitely don't think a woman needs to worry about that.

Am I wrong or have there only been 3 pure sex scenes so far (with husband)? Most of the content seems to be teasing & touching so far.

Good game

Sophia is a teacher and she loves to shape young people's mind,expand there knowledge,she has a passion for teaching and it shows.
She is now starting to showing Sam/Dylan/Zac how to become gentle/caring/respectful/passionate lovers while gaining some pleasure for herself.
The same thing is also happening with Ellie/Julia. Sophia is helping her daughter explore her own sexuality and Sophia also benefits from these lessons.
I know that I have said that Sophia is self centered and is only thinking about herself when these encounters happen but the people that she cares about the most are the ones that she is helping/educating to be better people.
The overriding theme here I think is education but the lines are blurred for Sophia between education and lust.
If she can help the above mentioned without being caught then all of them could live happier more fulfilled lives

Hello everyone, I wanted to express my opinion, which is that the creator, could or should make more frequent updates, in my opinion if it took six months to make more or less 800 renders, it could divide them into between six months more or less and publish the game monthly or every two months with 125 renders and the wait would not be so long. I don't know if your employers should give you this suggestion. This opinion is my personal and I do not criticize the work of the creators, I only see that I could do it this way. Greetings to all.

Franki424 said:

Hello everyone, I wanted to express my opinion, which is that the creator, could or should make more frequent updates, in my opinion if it took six months to make more or less 800 renders, it could divide them into between six months more or less and publish the game monthly or every two months with 125 renders and the wait would not be so long. I don't know if your employers should give you this suggestion. This opinion is my personal and I do not criticize the work of the creators, I only see that I could do it this way. Greetings to all.

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thats the new plan. One event at a time

Sabertooth__ said:

Well, all I can is if you feel that way then that's just your thought. I never felt anything breaking continuity. Sophia has never been completely innocent. Women love her lingerie and wouldn't want strange men touching them and so she lashed out at the mover. Beyond that, it is more or less your choice how she reacts.

Humans are not simple beings with a single dimension to them. There can be innocent people with dark secrets and sides to them. Maybe the guy who is the sweetest in the world does actually have negative thoughts about everyone around him. Yet the reason why he could still be a good man is because he never lets those negative thoughts overpower him. Similarly it's not like Sophia might have never thought that another guy is hot and she would want to fuck him even though she is married. Her love or loyalty towards Liam just prevented her.

If you just limit ones personality to a single act and never try to judge them for their whole, sometimes your assessment of the person will be wrong. There is more to people than you can see in a few days.

And this scene to me didn't require a suspension of disbelief. It didn't break character but added a little more to all these 4 characters of the scenes. We get to see how these people are with ones that they actually consider close. A bit more about their relationships in the past.

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on this we agree to disagree

I reread the scene with Cathy. Andy and Cathy have been together for 8 years, no infidelities. We won't have a bachelorette party, their meeting will replace the party.
One night and only one before the wedding. One last fantasy.
Liam's message was interesting: if I know, if I'm there, if it's just one date....

nexer said:

I reread the scene with Cathy. Andy and Cathy have been together for 8 years, no infidelities. We won't have a bachelorette party, their meeting will replace the party.
One night and only one before the wedding. One last fantasy.
Liam's message was interesting: if I know, if I'm there, if it's just one date....

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It will very interesting to see/feel the consequences of there actions the night after

KillJoys said:

It will very interesting to see/feel the consequences of there actions the night after

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When were we expecting this scene?

A lot of things can go wrong for Liam
If Liam breaks the six-minute record, bad.
If Andy beats Liam's record, bad.

nexer said:

When were we expecting this scene?

A lot of things can go wrong for Liam
If Liam breaks the six-minute record, bad.
If Andy beats Liam's record, bad.

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A lot of things could go wrong maybe Liam will not like seeing his wife having sex with Andy or Sophia not like seeing Cathy with Liam,Liam has said on numerous occasions that people can look at his wife but nothing more.
Sophia was the one that brought up adding spice to there marriage(sex in his office) either of there performances can have an effect on Sophia/Liam but I think that one will like the experience and the other will not.
Whatever the result of this one night I am sure it will have consequences for Sophia/Liam